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Postby Kendo » Thu Oct 23, 2008 6:52 pm

Personally, I would like to see us go to a NO PARTY SYSTEM!! I am fawking sick and tired of having to "follow party lines" in order to stand a slim chance of being nominated and have the backing of either machine.

What ever happened to running and standing on your own merit??

Back in the day, before the information age, I can maybe see the need for this antiquated system. Today, we all have access to as much information as we can handle. There are many channels in which to get your message across, so why is the two party system necessary??? Money - plain and simple. And we all know how money corrupts people.

We need MAJOR changes in this country or we are all doomed.
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Postby FishaHallic » Thu Oct 23, 2008 6:57 pm

Kendo wrote:Personally, I would like to see us go to a NO PARTY SYSTEM!! I am fawking sick and tired of having to "follow party lines" in order to stand a slim chance of being nominated and have the backing of either machine.

What ever happened to running and standing on your own merit??

Back in the day, before the information age, I can maybe see the need for this antiquated system. Today, we all have access to as much information as we can handle. There are many channels in which to get your message across, so why is the two party system necessary??? Money - plain and simple. And we all know how money corrupts people.

We need MAJOR changes in this country or we are all doomed.
I agree and Obama is all about change :D .
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Postby EigerMike » Thu Oct 23, 2008 8:57 pm

my 10year old daughter knows obamas name and does not know who mcain is,or the oh ya the old white guy as she said!the only thing she knows about either is that obama is for change. personaly i cant stand obama do not trust him one bit .way to many little things that dont make sence,his preacher [-o< wow the pledge of allegiance, wont put his hand over his chest on the anthem,what is he going to do when they ask to swear him in? what book will he youse, will he swear to god? like i said just my 02cents!
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Postby Ken » Fri Oct 24, 2008 2:00 am

FishaHallic wrote:The economy has been stagnant at best for the last 4 yrs or so
Stop listening to the news...PLEASE...Stop listening to CNN, all the alphabet networks. They are all LIBERAL...they report favorably all liberal views...and report negatively on conservative issues.

The economy has NOT...I repeat NOT been "stagnant".

Straight from the US GOVT. This, is the GDP. Gross Domestic Product. It is, the #1 indicator of our economy's engine. It is the sum of our income and our product...both manufacturing and service.
1985 4220.3
1986 4462.8 5.7%
1987 4739.5 6.2% <Reagan boom
1988 5103.8 7.6% <Reagan boom
1989 5484.4 7.4% <Bush carry over
1990 5803.1 5.8% <recession
1991 5995.9 3.3% <recession
1992 6337.7 5.7% <recession
1993 6657.4 5.0% <recession
1994 7072.2 6.2%
1995 7397.7 4.5%
1996 7816.9 5.6%
1997 8304.3 6.2% <internet boom
1998 8747.0 5.3% <internet boom
1999 9268.4 5.9% <internet boom
2000 9817.0 5.9% <begin of fall
2001 10128.0 3.1% < DOT BLOW UP and 9/11
2002 10469.6 3.3% < recession
2003 10960.8 4.6% < real estate boom begins
2004 11685.9 6.6% < Start of YOUR stagnant period..LOL
2005 12421.9 6.2% < Year 2 of YOUR stagnant period
2006 13178.4 6.0% < Year 3... :)
2007 13807.5 4.7%


Don't listen to anyone...just look at the numbers. They don't lie. Don't look at your personal life, don't look at your neighbors....these are the real numbers that tell you how well the economy is doing.

You said the last 4 years have been stagnant. False. Between 2004 and 2007...you would have to go ALL THE WAY back to 80's in the Reagan years to have an economy growing at over 6% for 3 years straight.

As for Palin...you are following right along with the liberal media.....If she were a man.....there would be no issue.

If she's dumb as a box of rocks...where does that put you or I? She's the Governer of one of the biggest money producing states in the Union. She had the highest rating of any governor in ANY state. Her approval rating by the people that LIVE THERE, is 80%. 8 out of 10 people there....think she's doing a good job. Name another politician with that sort of support.

Granted...world politics...she's weak. She is not dumb. You have fallen victim of LIBERAL MEDIA. Do you know what editing is?? That is where, the media...edits and displays what THEY want you to see. If I were to interview you, and ask you 100 questions. Do you think you'd answer all 100 questions perfectly? Of course not. What if you answered 80 fabulously, and fawked up on 20.....but when I showed everyone my questions to you....I only showed the 20 you fawked up on? Would that make you look dumb?

If you watched the debate with Biden....She did not "lose"....I watched the entire debate....and Biden won in some areas....she won in others....and for the most part it was a draw.

If the same person that Katie Couric showed....was there.....It wouldn't have been close. Period.

Think for yourself...research yourself.


One last thing...I love the SNL skits with Palin....Do you think they do them because they are conservative? Have you seen them spoof on Obama...cause he's easy. Nope. Name SNL's BEST political joking??
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Postby FishaHallic » Fri Oct 24, 2008 7:11 am

I will leave it at this, I was around in 2003 and later. The news did not tell me what to think, I could see for myself. Maybe I should have said in my opinion the economy was stagnant at best.

SNL skits, I seem to remember several skits in the last weeks on Obama and even in the Clinton yrs, skits about him. But I agree it's easy to have skits about Ford being clumsy (which were not true) or GW Bush being stupid (in my opinion, it is true) or Palin being stupid (in my opinion, it is true).

What kind of graph do you have that shows about the national debt falling everytime we have a republican administration? The whole premise of this thread I thought was about how Obamas tax plan won't work, well let's see proof that a republican tax plan will, because in my 47 yrs I have not seen one republican administration with a balanced budget.
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Postby Loppy » Fri Oct 24, 2008 2:00 pm

I'm drinking the kool aid? If I'm drinking it, you must be on a constant IV drip. :roll: :lol:

I wasn't defending Bush by the way... you saw it that way of course because your vision is obscured by Obamas colon. :o I HATE the fawker. I'm a CONSERVATIVE, period. The Republican party left me because of this idiot. I agree on many of your points, he has grown government and spent more money than anthing we've seen in any THREE previous administrations. That pisses me off. So if you want to call me something, call me a Nationalist with a touch of Libratarian. :wink:

What just fugg'n kills me is the way you Dems fall all over yourselves over this jackass. Who the F is this guy? Do you realize you're voting for someone who is a failed lawyer, "community organizer" that has ties to folks like Aires and slum lord land developers, was VERIFIED as belonging to African American communist clubs, is a Freshman Senator that has never actually done anything and yet you think he's qualified for president???

It baffles me. WTF is change? You're voting for someone who's real campaign message is "I'm not Bush". :roll:

"That’s funny because that is not how the republican party works. Let’s see what they have said. Obama is a muslim…LIE Only the ignorant would call him a Muslim. We all know he was RAISED as a Muslim. . Obama is not eligible to be president….LIE.Uhm... sorry, the jury is still out on this one man. His "documents" look like BS to me. If there's nothing to this... then why wont he just come up with his birth certificate? Why are reporters in Kenya being met at the airport by gunpoint? Why, dispite many requests, will he not release his college records (sources inside said he was admitted to Harvard with "foreign aid" scholarships)? He might be elligable and I know it's a small tit for tat, but it is what it is. Obama has associated with a known terrorist…..LIEBill Aires does not qualify as a terrorist to you? The man who planted a fuking bomb in the Pentagon and said "I wish it would have done more damage". It was when he was young... BS. He's a LOT closer to old Bill than is being led on. Obama is a socialist…..LIEAnd sayings like "Economic Justice" and "Spread the wealth around" are capitolist? His "plan" and the amount of tax/redistribution of wealth is the very DEFINITION of Socialism. Obama skipped out of the Vietnam war………LIEHuh? First I've heard of this one, and I thought I knew them all. . Obama will take away your guns……LIE.Hahahahaha... I believe his exact words were "dont worry, we're not going to take your shotguns from you". Words matter dood. He is VERY anti 2nd amendment bud. I own about 15 guns, only ONE is a shotgun. He may not lead the charge, but I can say with certainty that he and the liberal agenda will get to work on it right away. The ATF are already Nazi bastards, it's only going to get worse "

I could go on for days... not enough time. In a nutshell, I hate them all. Again, there is NO WAY I can vote for BO, I'm voting NObama, period.

And for the record, it's just politics. My next door neighbor is a liberal hippie, but we're good friends and they're some of the best neighbors we've ever had. I dont take this shight too personal man. Look forward to riding and tossing back a few at Moonrocks, hopefully soon!

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Postby Pa Pa Jack » Fri Oct 24, 2008 3:16 pm

[/quote]So I guess you want the United States to go to a 1 party system since you state that anyone that votes for the party that you don't favor is un-american. Sounds like communism to me, by the way the current administration has been run your comment does not surprise me.

Thankfully there is a majority of people in this country that actually think that this system works well. A system that lets the people decide what is best, a system where political discussions are encouraged, a system that has made this country the greatest country ever. But you know what your right it's unamerican to vote for a democrat when things are going so well with this republican administration. GIVE ME A BREAK!

I do not think the two party system is bad at all. My problem is with the current group of people that want to lie and cheat and steal to get a totally immoral and devious zealot elected to the highest office in the land.

I get tired of the methodology of misdirection the Democratic Party uses to evade all the real issues about this man. "People aren't worried about his affiliation with terrorist." NEWS ALERT, Yes we are. "People aren't concerned about his relationship with a racist, U.S.A. hating preacher." Yes we are.

I believe anyone who votes for Obama is voting to overthrow our way of life in favor a total socialism.

And no one wants to face the fact that this entire melt down of the economy was started by Billy Boy in 1999 when HE pushed through deregulation of the banking industry against massive advice from the experts.

He and his bed pal Franks, pushed it through.

this economy was doing pretty good until the dems got hold of a majority in congress. They have, in my opinion, intentionally sabotaged the economy for the benefit of this election.

Obama is in favor of change, So was Adolph Hitler. And he promised change in the same manner.
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Postby hellcat650 » Fri Oct 24, 2008 6:02 pm

Ok, lets end this thread. I love this site because it is about the obssesion we all share regardless. In the words of LOOPY:
"And for the record, it's just politics. My next door neighbor is a liberal hippie, but we're good friends and they're some of the best neighbors we've ever had. I dont take this shight too personal man. Look forward to riding and tossing back a few at Moonrocks, hopefully soon!"
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Postby FishaHallic » Fri Oct 24, 2008 7:49 pm

Your right Hellcat, I am not changing anyones mind and they are not changing mine. I won't reply anymore to this thread (although I really want to) and I will leave it at that.

Sorry Loppy, there is no way in hell I could ever ride with you again with your republican attitude :finger: .......................J/K :D .

Someone needs to start a Moonrocks thread and pick a date
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Postby d2photo » Fri Oct 24, 2008 7:50 pm

RED T Y P E..... So B L I N D I N G.....

Can't focus

Must leave thread....


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Postby FishaHallic » Fri Oct 24, 2008 8:23 pm

d2photo wrote:RED T Y P E..... So B L I N D I N G.....

Can't focus

Must leave thread....


IT BURNS.....

I agree, I could not read it either :D .
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Postby Kendo » Fri Oct 24, 2008 9:20 pm

I think there is one fundemantal thing we are ALL forgetting here -

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Postby Ken » Sat Oct 25, 2008 1:16 pm

FishaHallic wrote:I will leave it at this, I was around in 2003 and later. The news did not tell me what to think, I could see for myself. Maybe I should have said in my opinion the economy was stagnant at best.
That's your personal opinion....but I just showed you the numbers that prove the 2004-2007 growth is only matched by the growth of the 80's.

If you do shitty in an economic boom, does that make the boom false? During the dot com hey day, if you lost your job, does that invalidate the dot com boom?

The answer to all is no. You can't judge the economy of the US on your own personal experience. You can only judge the US economy on the US economy. Personal experiences....don't count.

Does Warren Buffett, who is going to make BILLIONS based on investments he's making right now, say the economy is awesome? It's awesome for him, why wouldn't he? Cause he knows it's false.

Fish...you can still vote for Obama....I'm just saying...don't vote for him because of his ads, or what you hear....I just showed you your perception of the economy the last 4 years is false. So remember...the president can have a great impact on the economy...The previous 4 years have been great (prior to 2008)...was it great for you? According to you, no. So did the president have an impact on you? Apparently not...you said it was stagnant. So if Obama does manage to turn the current trend around, and it's still shitty for you....by your logic, Obama would be crappy too.

Do your own research....don't listen to the ads. They all suck.
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Postby FishaHallic » Sat Oct 25, 2008 4:13 pm

Ken wrote:
FishaHallic wrote:I will leave it at this, I was around in 2003 and later. The news did not tell me what to think, I could see for myself. Maybe I should have said in my opinion the economy was stagnant at best.
That's your personal opinion....but I just showed you the numbers that prove the 2004-2007 growth is only matched by the growth of the 80's.

If you do shitty in an economic boom, does that make the boom false? During the dot com hey day, if you lost your job, does that invalidate the dot com boom?

The answer to all is no. You can't judge the economy of the US on your own personal experience. You can only judge the US economy on the US economy. Personal experiences....don't count.

Does Warren Buffett, who is going to make BILLIONS based on investments he's making right now, say the economy is awesome? It's awesome for him, why wouldn't he? Cause he knows it's false.

Fish...you can still vote for Obama....I'm just saying...don't vote for him because of his ads, or what you hear....I just showed you your perception of the economy the last 4 years is false. So remember...the president can have a great impact on the economy...The previous 4 years have been great (prior to 2008)...was it great for you? According to you, no. So did the president have an impact on you? Apparently not...you said it was stagnant. So if Obama does manage to turn the current trend around, and it's still shitty for you....by your logic, Obama would be crappy too.

Do your own research....don't listen to the ads. They all suck.
I was doing fine in 80's, 90's and this decade. I don't listen to the ads, I do homework and research on line, but between what I see in the economy today with a republican administration and house and senate (for at least 4 of the last 6 yrs if not 6 of the last 8) and policies of Bush of what Bush did and McCain agreed with and with what McCain said he is going to do I would vote Obama.

Personally I don't see how anyone would even vote republican after the last 8 yrs but I guess that is why everyone has an opinion and they all stink.

I do find it funny though how seemingly intelligent people like you and I and everyone that I have met on this forum could see things so very differntly. What seems so obvious to me does not make sense to you and vice versa, I just think it is kind of funny strange.
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