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Postby Ken » Wed Oct 22, 2008 11:40 am

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Postby ATV'er » Wed Oct 22, 2008 12:50 pm

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And people want him why????

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Postby FishaHallic » Wed Oct 22, 2008 10:13 pm

ATV'er wrote:=D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D>

And people want him why????

Let's see, I will try to keep it brief.

Today the dow was down to 8500 something
Unemployment up
housing prices down
record deficit
national debt nearly doubled to over 10 Trillion $s
record growth in the size of the government
Iraq
record oil prices
record oil profits
over a $1,000,000,000,000 in gov't bailouts in the last couple of months with more to come
Al quada supports McCain
Palin

There are so many more things but I will stop here. After the way things have gone in the last 8 yrs, do you think the country can survive another 4 or 8 yrs with a republican that voted with George Bush 90% of the time and will carry on the Bush policies. I certainly don't and it is very apparent that a majority of the population does not.

This Bush administration will go down in history as one of the worst ever, Bush actually made 4 yrs of Carter look good. Now McCain is not Bush but he voted in favor of Bush policies 90% of the time and since he will continue Bush policies he will be a failure just like the Bush administration.
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Postby Ken » Thu Oct 23, 2008 7:26 am

FishaHallic wrote:Let's see, I will try to keep it brief.
Today the dow was down to 8500 something
The president has very little control over the dow jones or stock prices. Yes, the overall economy can influence the stock market, but the president himself has absolutely no control over the price of a stock.

Investors do.

Funny....from 2002 to 2007.....were 5 Up years. But all you remember, is the last 6 months before an election. If people hadn't used their homes like an ATM machine, the economic issues we face now, wouldn't be as bad.

FishaHallic wrote:Unemployment up
It's a fact. You can't create jobs by taxing corporations more and taxing the rich more.

People with money, are the ones that tend open businesses and hire employees. Giving $1000 back to someone making $40,000 isn't going to create 1 job.
FishaHallic wrote:housing prices down
Housing prices were at historic and unhealthy highs from 2000 to 2007. So basically, 7 years of Bush's presidency, housing prices were going up. Why did they go down the last year? Because they went UP too much. The market decides how much a home is worth, 100% of the time. If the market is willing to pay, the home goes up. If the market is not, the home goes down. The housing market went UP extraordinarily, because PEOPLE, not the president, were willing to buy homes they couldn't afford on ultra-low interest rates...that were teaser rates. When the real rate kicked in....the PEOPLE lost.

Why does the government always have to protect over personal responsibility? I've bought and sold 4 homes....all were on 30 year interest rate loans.
FishaHallic wrote:record deficit
That is Bush's #1 failure. No doubt. He has split from the Republican philosophy. He created more government, instead of less. Bad on his part.

However, Obama....will make it worse. You can't pay for everything he wants without SPENDING MORE.

FishaHallic wrote:national debt nearly doubled to over 10 Trillion $s
record growth in the size of the government
Same as above.
FishaHallic wrote:Iraq
I'll take one dead psychotic dictator any day, who killed his people and harbored terrorists.
FishaHallic wrote:record oil prices
Not under Bush's or Obama's control. Sorry, but WORLD demand dictates Oil prices my friend. In the 8 years Bush has been president, China's demand for oil has increased...and will only increase more.

Is Obama going to kill all the chinese to ease demand?


BTW...Oil is at $67 a barrel. Why? Demand had DECREASED...nothing Bush did. So what do you expect Obama to do?
FishaHallic wrote:record oil profits
Buy stock in the oil companies if this bothers you.
FishaHallic wrote:over a $1,000,000,000,000 in gov't bailouts in the last couple of months with more to come
See PERSONAL responsibility.
FishaHallic wrote:Al quada supports McCain
LOL. And I ALWAYS vote based on what Al Qaeda thinks.

FishaHallic wrote:Palin

Who am I? I am a lawyer, but I've never practiced law. I have never stood in a courtroom. I have never run a company or government agency. I don't have a business degree, nor do I have an MBA. As a lawmaker, no law has ever been passed with my name attached. I have been a college teacher, a state senator and since 2003 I have been a US Senator, but haven't been a full-time senator since 2006.

Would you hire me to be CEO with that resume?

If Palin were a man....this wouldn't even be a discussion....cause clearly it isn't for Obama.
FishaHallic wrote:a republican that voted with George Bush 90% of the time and will carry on the Bush policies. I certainly don't and it is very apparent that a majority of the population does not.
This is a classic Obama ad. How's that Kool-aid taste? Bush DOESN'T VOTE! The president of the United States does NOT VOTE ON ANYTHING. Lawmakers create laws, and Lawmakers vote.

McCain has supported 90% of the time when Bush SUPPORTS a bill that is being considered by a DEMOCRATIC congress. Both the senate and the house are DEMOCRATIC...and both have been roundly criticized as the least action congress in YEARS....a congress that Obama is a member.

So, let me slow this down for you....in any given year....thousands of bills come up for vote. If Bush tells congress that he supports a bill that makes it life in prison for raping a child....and McCain votes in favor of the bill.....Is that bad? That's what Obama's deceptive ad is implying. It doesn't mean anything, in terms of what kind of president would McCain be.


Obama is a socialist! His response to Joe the Plumber..."spread the wealth around". WHY SHOULD I, who works hard, went to college, studied hard and ALREADY pays more taxes than someone who makes $50,000 year, have to pay MORE to support someone who made a personal decision that playstation and drinking, was more important than grades?


FishaHallic wrote:This Bush administration will go down in history as one of the worst ever, Bush actually made 4 yrs of Carter look good. Now McCain is not Bush but he voted in favor of Bush policies 90% of the time and since he will continue Bush policies he will be a failure just like the Bush administration.

Forget about the 90% thing....it's not an indicator of what kind of president McCain would be....unless you analyzed EACH VOTE. Have you done that? If you have, I'd be interested to see it.

Bush will be roundly criticized....no doubt.


Sorry...I vote based on the candidates...not some implied connection by THE OTHER candidate. I take my sources of information from beyond the candidate. Either one.
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Postby Ken » Thu Oct 23, 2008 8:06 am

Voting for Obama?

Hear the conviction and knowledge of these voters....

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Postby Kendo » Thu Oct 23, 2008 8:22 am

FishaHallic wrote:Palin
OK, so WTF does that mean exactly? Is it because she's a woman? I'll bet you were a Hillary supporter too. And while she's not a great example of a woman, technically she is.

Maybe you're citing her lack of experience? Well, are you forgetting that Billy Clinton was the governor of Arkansas before being elected? That's it, the sum of his experience other than being a half assed lawyer, just like someone else that is running right now. Was his experience questioned like hers is now? Nope. And let's face it, in the lineup of states, the governor of one of the poorest in the nation - IMHO - would be far less qualified than one from one of the wealthiest.

Maybe because of her bumbling around when being questioned by a professional reporter? Again, that bitch Katie Couric can make just about ANYONE look like an idiot, and she will, if she doesn't like them. Watch sometime when she has someone on that she supports. It is a way more relaxed conversation and she allows them to answer her simplistic questions in plenty of time.

I will agree on some of your points. Bush is an arrogant little bastard, but I suppose if I was president of the most powerful nation in the world, I might take on a little myself. He's not the birghtest bulb in the pack, and he has made some collosal fawk ups. What president hasn't? Give me a name and I can probably quote at least a couple, if not more, fawk ups during thier term. It happens.

Unfortunately we're in another "pick the lesser of two evils" scenario. I can almost predict what will happen with McCain in office, and I can't with Obama. That man concerns me a great deal. I don't trust him. Add to that the democratic Congress and we're all in a world of hurt. You think your pocket book hurts now, get a crew of spend thrifts in there and see what happens. You'll see it in your bottom line, if you are a member of the working class.

I'll say it again, we are PRIMED for a thrid party candidate that has some sense about them. And as Ken alluded to in his comments above - we as Americans suffer from EXTREME short term memory. If it didn't happen two weeks ago, we have long forgotten about it. Will Californians remember in two weeks that it took our wonderful legislature 3 fawking months to pass a budget?? And when they did, do they know that their solution was to collect revenue from next year in advance to pay for this years debt?? Nope, 95% of them don't know that or have erased it from their memory and will vote for the name they recognize on the ballot. Same goes for the nation - we all agree that all of DC should be swept clean and we should start all over. But when it comes down to it, the sheeple will follow what has been placed on a silver platter, by the media, to them and vote for the exact same people that are the root cause of the problems we're facing today.

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Postby Loppy » Thu Oct 23, 2008 8:33 am

FishaHallic wrote:over a $1,000,000,000,000 in gov't bailouts in the last couple of months with more to come.
Ken hit everything else perfectly. Ill just add to this one, the one that makes me the most sick right now.

Blaming Bush (or the Republicans) for the bailout is like blaming the sissors for getting a bad hair cut. Is it just me or is anyone else suspect of the timing of all this? Fawk... it's so crystal clear it just makes me SICK that the "sheeple" are getting fed the right information from the media.

In a nutshell, the cause of this whole housing problem and "bailout":

1. Poor people could not afford houses as even though they might have a good job, they needed at least 20% cash to bring to the transaction. The liberals cried "discrimination!" and through the Clinton admin, with the help of ACORN and a democratic house passed laws that put a gun to lenders heads and MADE them back loans to people who could clearly NOT afford houses. Of course, all packed in house by Mac and Mae.

2. Bush and even McCain WARNED everyone this was going to happen as far back as 2002, and moreso in 2004. Of course, Democrats with the majority did nothing about it.

3. Now we find out that the very people beind Mac and Mae, Cox and the others in the House and Senate and even ACORN that were pulling the strings of this whole debocle are in fact DEMOCRATIC affiliated overwhelmingly. Some of these assholes are even going to be some of Obamas advisors and on his staff.

Thats it in a nutshell, there's tons of facts out there, do the research for the FACTS. Because you wont hear the truth from the talking heads on the alphabet networks. :roll:

I'm making NO apologies for the Republicans. Hehl, most of them are backing this whole thing and many of them have equal blame in this crap. The fact is, they're all taking care of each other and pulling the wool over the sheeples eyes. Pointing a finger at either party is like pointing the finger at a rapist or a murderer. They're all fawking crooks and nothing short of revolution is going to save this country. It AINT going to be Obama.

I hate them both, but I'm voting McCain based on simple issues. I want to keep riding on public lands. I want to KEEP my guns. I dont want to pay more taxes and have my money given to (what is now 35%) 40% of the shitheads in this country who choose not to get off the couch and work hard. And I'd like to have someone in the whitehose that we can actually verify is a LEGAL american citizen, will fight terrorism and has a better resume than "community organizer". :evil:
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Postby Norcalbmxer » Thu Oct 23, 2008 11:02 am

Ken wrote:playstation and drinking,.
Hey, leave them out of this

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Postby FishaHallic » Thu Oct 23, 2008 3:18 pm

The president has very little control over the dow jones or stock prices. Yes, the overall economy can influence the stock market, but the president himself has absolutely no control over the price of a stock. “

Your right on this but his policies have a lot to do with reaction of the stock market. Like the out of control spending for the last 8 years with record deficits and record gov’t growth.


“Funny....from 2002 to 2007.....were 5 Up years. But all you remember, is the last 6 months before an election. If people hadn't used their homes like an ATM machine, the economic issues we face now, wouldn't be as bad.”

The economy has been stagnant at best for the last 4 yrs or so and not all that is due to Bush, I look at this with an open eye and I know he was dealing with 9/11. But if you look at what the republicans are saying, they are blaming the dems for these bailouts when in fact we had a republican president the last 8 yrs and a republican house and senate for 6 of the last 8 yrs. The republicans said they knew fannie and Freddie were in trouble but yet they did not fix them and just blame the dems. The fact is the republicans are the ones that demand less gov’t intervention but now we are interviening on a grand scale of over a trillion dollars of money we don’t have.


Speaking of drinking the Kool aide. “It's a fact. You can't create jobs by taxing corporations more and taxing the rich more.

People with money, are the ones that tend open businesses and hire employees. Giving $1000 back to someone making $40,000 isn't going to create 1 job.”

This is just something the republicans made up to keep the taxes down for there friends. If 98% of the country gets a tax cut then that is that much more money they will spend to keep the economy going, purchasing products and services which will in its own self create jobs. I seem to remember a lot of jobs being created in the Clinton yrs.


“Housing prices were at historic and unhealthy highs from 2000 to 2007. So basically, 7 years of Bush's presidency, housing prices were going up. Why did they go down the last year? Because they went UP too much. The market decides how much a home is worth, 100% of the time. If the market is willing to pay, the home goes up. If the market is not, the home goes down. The housing market went UP extraordinarily, because PEOPLE, not the president, were willing to buy homes they couldn't afford on ultra-low interest rates...that were teaser rates. When the real rate kicked in....the PEOPLE lost. “

I agree with you on this to a point. Yes prices were going up, and going up at a unhealthy pace but due to republican policies the housing market crashed instead of going in for a soft landing. When you borrow as much money as the Bush administration was and is doing that affects the whole market.


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“Why does the government always have to protect over personal responsibility? I've bought and sold 4 homes....all were on 30 year interest rate loans.”

Your right they should not have to, but in the same context then why should we be bailing out AIG, Fannie and Freddie and the auto makers for that matter. If we can spend over a trillion $s to bail out big business then why not help out the little guy some? I don’t mean pay the guys mortgage but maybe lower his rate if he can show he is trying to keep his home from foreclosure.



quote="FishaHallic"]record deficit[/quote]

That is Bush's #1 failure. No doubt. He has split from the Republican philosophy. He created more government, instead of less. Bad on his part.

However, Obama....will make it worse. You can't pay for everything he wants without SPENDING MORE.

“That is Bush's #1 failure. No doubt. He has split from the Republican philosophy. He created more government, instead of less. Bad on his part.” , and McCain and the republican party voted on these spending bills and even some dems.

“Bad on his part”. NO, bad on Americas part. Due to this spending Bush and the republicans have nearly doubled the national debt, don’t you think that affects the economy in a large part? Who do you think is going to pay that bill? It’s our kids and grandkids and great grandkids, that’s who.

You said this earlier “Why does the government always have to protect over personal responsibility”. Does responsibility not have to happen in our gov’t? What you seem to be encouraging is the same thing that you are saying is bad, spending beyond your means. When an individual does it they deserve what they get and they are on their own but when the gov’t does it we just pass the bill on to future generations. I don’t think this is ok. I am all for lower taxes, who would not be, but when you lower taxes and then up spending to the point you have a deficit then that is irresponsible.


“I'll take one dead psychotic dictator any day, who killed his people and harbored terrorists.”

I was all for going into Iraq but not the way this nut job has done it. When Bush forced a general to retire because that general told congress that is would take 350,000 to 400,000 troops to get the job done in Iraq I knew we were in trouble. To try to fight the Iraq war on the cheap has created a mess that is not winnable. By not taking control of the country when we first went in has created a total cluster. Huge stashes of weapons stolen, all the gov’t buildings looted and many burned, retaliatory killings of sunni and shites and the whole country in kaos. Now they are a civil war waiting to happen as soon as we leave be it in 2 yrs or 10, there will be a civil war. The only reason the surge has worked is that our gov’t is paying former insurgents not to fight. Millions of dollars a month going to insurgents to keep them from fighting us, what do you think will happen when the money stops?

What were our reasons for going in, I have heard so many different ones I forgot most of them but here are a few. Weapons of mass destruction, ties to terrorism, building a democracy, and getting rid of a cruel dictator. The Bush reasoning for going into Iraq changed like the seasons.

LET’S NOT FORGET THE 4,000+ DEAD AMERICAN SOLDIERS


“Not under Bush's or Obama's control. Sorry, but WORLD demand dictates Oil prices my friend. In the 8 years Bush has been president, China's demand for oil has increased...and will only increase more.

While what you say is true you don’t think that the war in Iraq has affected the price of oil. I can guarantee you it has, just like when Bush starts acting like we may take action against Iran, the price of oil goes up…..it’s called speculation. The markets are speculating that there may be a war with Iran which would affect world oil supplies which causes price increases.

Yes China and India have also helped create a larger demand for oil which will account for some of the price jumps but republican policies must take a good share of the fault. In my opinion it is NO accident that some of the most profitable companies under the Bush administration are oil companies and the likes of all the Haliburtons out there.


“quote="FishaHallic"]Al quada supports McCain[/quote]

LOL. And I ALWAYS vote based on what Al Qaeda thinks.”

You might check your republican talking points on this one.


“Bush DOESN'T VOTE! The president of the United States does NOT VOTE ON ANYTHING.”

Correct, he does not vote but he does set POLICY, and his policies have screwed this country up to near bankruptcy.

McCain has supported 90% of the time when Bush SUPPORTS a bill that is being considered by a DEMOCRATIC congress. Both the senate and the house are DEMOCRATIC...and both have been roundly criticized as the least action congress in YEARS....a congress that Obama is a member.

So, let me slow this down for you....in any given year....thousands of bills come up for vote. If Bush tells congress that he supports a bill that makes it life in prison for raping a child....and McCain votes in favor of the bill.....Is that bad? That's what Obama's deceptive ad is implying. It doesn't mean anything, in terms of what kind of president would McCain be.


90% of the time McCain supports Bush is what I am saying. History will show and many people are already saying this and that is the Bush yrs have been a disaster for this country. If you have a member that readily admits that he supported Bush policies 90% of the time (which McCain admitted) and we know by what is happening in this country that Bush policies are a failure then why would we not assume that McCains votes were wrong.

You know as well as I do that we are not talking about life in prison for rapist. We are talking about spending bills, going to war bills, bailout bills and many others. We are talking about bills that affect the policies that has this country going bankrupt both morally and financially.

Both the senate and the house are DEMOCRATIC...and both have been roundly criticized as the least action congress in YEARS....a congress that Obama is a member.

True the senate and house are democratic but just barely. They don’t have a super majority though so anything they do has to be bi-partisan (which is fine in my book) or it would be vetoed by Bush. The dems can’t do what they really want because they have to work with the republicans and when they do try to do something the republican spin machine kicks in and calls them cut and runners, un-american, don’t support the troops and so on.


Obama is a socialist! His response to Joe the Plumber..."spread the wealth around". WHY SHOULD I, who works hard, went to college, studied hard and ALREADY pays more taxes than someone who makes $50,000 year, have to pay MORE to support someone who made a personal decision that playstation and drinking, was more important than grades? “

And I guess bailing out AIG and Fannie and Freddie and owning large parts of the companies and mortgages is not socialist? Or I suppose taxing the little guy so the big guy has to pay less is not socialist?


“Forget about the 90% thing....it's not an indicator of what kind of president McCain would be....unless you analyzed EACH VOTE. Have you done that? If you have, I'd be interested to see it.”

No I have not, I don’t need to. I don’t need someone to hit me in the face with a fish to know that it stinks.


Sorry...I vote based on the candidates...not some implied connection by THE OTHER candidate. I take my sources of information from beyond the candidate. Either one.

That’s funny because that is not how the republican party works. Let’s see what they have said. Obama is a muslim…LIE. Obama is not eligible to be president….LIE. Obama has associated with a known terrorist…..LIE. Obama is a socialist…..LIE. Obama skipped out of the Vietnam war………LIE. Obama will take away your guns……LIE.

You know all those trails we love to ride on and those campgrounds we like to camp out at don’t grow on trees. The money we use for infrastructure in this country comes from taxes, the same taxes you and I pay. It’s unfortunate but all the things we take for advantage were paid for by taxes. To say the gov’t should be more efficient is fine but you can’t get blood from a turnip, sometimes you actually are as efficient as you can get. Taxes are part of what makes this country great and compared to many countries our taxes are very low. If the republicans want to cut taxes and budget themselves to the taxes collected then that would be fine but they don’t do that. They cut taxes to the rich and say it will in the end increase the overall tax base but this is not true, because if it was we would not run up huge deficits every time a republican administration takes office.

This country needs change, we cannot keep going like the last 8 yrs because at this rate we may not be around. All in all I like McCain and I wish he would have won the republican nomination in 2000 instead of Bush, but he did not. Now it is too late, he has associated himself with Bush too much now to separate himself. His age is a factor and if you don’t believe it watch him speak sometime, he stumbles all over himself. With McCains age a huge factor and then he has a VP that is dumber than a box of rocks we are setting ourselves up for another failure. If Palin is the person you republicans seem to think she is then why not let her be interviewed? The reason is she is dumb, she knows nothing about world politics except for the fact that she can see Russia from her doorstep and in that case I would not be surprised if she was not looking east into Canada. Many republicans are now saying the same thing, Palin is not ready for prime time.

The republican party hanging its hat on Palin is a joke. To say she is a better VP candidate than Obama is a presidential candidate just shows how desperate the republicans are.
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Postby FishaHallic » Thu Oct 23, 2008 3:23 pm

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FishaHallic wrote:over a $1,000,000,000,000 in gov't bailouts in the last couple of months with more to come.
Ken hit everything else perfectly. Ill just add to this one, the one that makes me the most sick right now.

Blaming Bush (or the Republicans) for the bailout is like blaming the sissors for getting a bad hair cut. Is it just me or is anyone else suspect of the timing of all this? Fawk... it's so crystal clear it just makes me SICK that the "sheeple" are getting fed the right information from the media.

In a nutshell, the cause of this whole housing problem and "bailout":

1. Poor people could not afford houses as even though they might have a good job, they needed at least 20% cash to bring to the transaction. The liberals cried "discrimination!" and through the Clinton admin, with the help of ACORN and a democratic house passed laws that put a gun to lenders heads and MADE them back loans to people who could clearly NOT afford houses. Of course, all packed in house by Mac and Mae.

2. Bush and even McCain WARNED everyone this was going to happen as far back as 2002, and moreso in 2004. Of course, Democrats with the majority did nothing about it.

3. Now we find out that the very people beind Mac and Mae, Cox and the others in the House and Senate and even ACORN that were pulling the strings of this whole debocle are in fact DEMOCRATIC affiliated overwhelmingly. Some of these assholes are even going to be some of Obamas advisors and on his staff.

Thats it in a nutshell, there's tons of facts out there, do the research for the FACTS. Because you wont hear the truth from the talking heads on the alphabet networks. :roll:

I'm making NO apologies for the Republicans. Hehl, most of them are backing this whole thing and many of them have equal blame in this crap. The fact is, they're all taking care of each other and pulling the wool over the sheeples eyes. Pointing a finger at either party is like pointing the finger at a rapist or a murderer. They're all fawking crooks and nothing short of revolution is going to save this country. It AINT going to be Obama.

I hate them both, but I'm voting McCain based on simple issues. I want to keep riding on public lands. I want to KEEP my guns. I dont want to pay more taxes and have my money given to (what is now 35%) 40% of the shitheads in this country who choose not to get off the couch and work hard. And I'd like to have someone in the whitehose that we can actually verify is a LEGAL american citizen, will fight terrorism and has a better resume than "community organizer". :evil:

I won't go into all your points other then to say that you are drinking the republican kool-aide. I will address point #2 though

In 2004 the republicans held the White house, the house and senate so if they indeed knew of a problem then why did they not fix it? Because deregulation was part of the problem is one reason.
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Postby Pa Pa Jack » Thu Oct 23, 2008 3:29 pm

It seems very strange to me that things have gone so far downhill ever since Democrats got control of congress. Prior to that things were mostly on an uptrend.

I hear nothing mentioned about this. They control both houses and if they get control of the White House too, I fear this country will become an Arab speaking nation.

It amazes me how people are so easily manipulated be the liberal Demacrat controlled news media. Obama makes statements that are un-American and noone says a word.

He refuses to say the Pledge of Allegiance and noone says a word.
He refuses to place his hand on his heart during the National Anthem.

And you want him for president? I am sorry, but I consider anyone that would vote for him to be Un-American.
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Postby FishaHallic » Thu Oct 23, 2008 3:31 pm

I really wish you would not post political threads in here. I go to several forums and reply to political threads and post a few myself but these are forums where I don't know anyone so if there are hard feelings then so be it.

I certainly am not ashamed of my believes because as you will soon see I am in the majority but I know politics and religion will always lead to heated discussions which is something I don't want here.

This forum is different, I have ridden with many of you and consider you friends even though I don't hang with you guys since I live in Reno I still enjoy riding with you and reading your post.

When you post something political people are bound to get heated which leads to argueing and name calling eventually and I sure don't want that. I will read and respond to any politcal post that peaks my interest if for no other reason is to show a different opinion but I really wish people would leave the politics for other forums.
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Postby FishaHallic » Thu Oct 23, 2008 3:33 pm

Pa Pa Jack wrote:I am sorry, but I consider anyone that would vote for him to be Un-American.
And so it starts :(
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Postby hellcat650 » Thu Oct 23, 2008 4:14 pm

A college proffesser in one of my classes once said, " the first and most important goal of any person seeking a government office is getting elected, period". So no matter what side your on, it all boils done to getting the job and claiming victory for your side, not doing what is in the best interest of every american citizen. My 2 cents.
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Postby FishaHallic » Thu Oct 23, 2008 6:11 pm

Pa Pa Jack wrote:And you want him for president? I am sorry, but I consider anyone that would vote for him to be Un-American.
So I guess you want the United States to go to a 1 party system since you state that anyone that votes for the party that you don't favor is un-american. Sounds like communism to me, by the way the current administration has been run your comment does not surprise me.

Thankfully there is a majority of people in this country that actually think that this system works well. A system that lets the people decide what is best, a system where political discussions are encouraged, a system that has made this country the greatest country ever. But you know what your right it's unamerican to vote for a democrat when things are going so well with this republican administration. GIVE ME A BREAK!
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